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Yichi · Jan 11, 2008, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by rath no more

ya but from what was told your not actually going to the outpost, you leave mallyx go guild leave guild and this takes you there. its not like somone actuallyhacked to get there they found it out on thier own. im not sayin this makes it right but perm ban ouchies lol.. alot of people woulda stayed away if they even thought this could get them banned forever.

ok and as I have said many times, if when the mallyx quest was completed and you went to your guild hall, then left your guild hall, it should have taken you back to the Gate of Anguish, like it does to everyone else at any other part of the Mallyx quest line. If it does not and takes you to somewhere that you have never seen before, is there not a warning flag that goes off saying "Hey, wait a second. I've never heard about this place before..."

rath no more · Jan 11, 2008, 09:41 PM // 21:41

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

Banning people for exploiting a game is bad? I feel a majority of people would think that is a good thing.

banning people who abuse this game is great, i woulda learned my lesson even with a lesser band tho.. and this logic woulda came in handy too when everyone was goin haywire with heiropent greens, for a while there no one would even buy them.

English Warrior · Jan 11, 2008, 09:42 PM // 21:42

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Why should 3000 hours make up for the fact they exploited the game????? Who cares how long they've played. Who cares how many titles they have, or what their hair colour is. They exploited it. They got banned. Good job.

And i'm guessing if you were banned you wouldn't be saying this how right am i?

Drop of Fear · Jan 11, 2008, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by Leeds

And i'm guessing if you were banned you wouldn't be saying this how right am i?

would not make him right.

Clait · Jan 11, 2008, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by I pwnd U

Each situation is unique and has different consequences. You can't set a bar for something that varies as much as these exploits do.

The consequence is remains the same, banned. The point I'm making however, is that they have been inconsistent with why they ban some people over others. I think it has a lot to do with how many people were involved. Is that fair? If a million people used the Mallyx trick what do you think their response would have been? They obviously wouldn't ban that many people.

super strokey · Jan 11, 2008, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by rath no more

banning people who abuse this game is great, i woulda learned my lesson even with a lesser band tho.. and this logic woulda came in handy too when everyone was goin haywire with heiropent greens, for a while there no one would even buy them.

While I sorta agree maybe a temporary ban of like say a week or something might have been better. And any ill gotten gains over the last little while be removed as well.

rath no more · Jan 11, 2008, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by Yichi

ok and as I have said many times, if when the mallyx quest was completed and you went to your guild hall, then left your guild hall, it should have taken you back to the Gate of Anguish, like it does to everyone else at any other part of the Mallyx quest line. If it does not and takes you to somewhere that you have never seen before, is there not a warning flag that goes off saying "Hey, wait a second. I've never heard about this place before..."

sure in a perfect world without bugs thats exactly what woulda happened. but it doesnt right? it was like that already right? just like duncan? i understand where your comin from and like i said. im doin my time no biggy but holy crap i just never expected to totally lose everything and im sure all of the dun runners thought the same thing.

Drop of Fear · Jan 11, 2008, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by Clait

The consequence is remains the same, banned. The point I'm making however, is that they have been inconsistent with why they ban some people over others. I think it has a lot to do with how many people were involved. Is that fair? If a million people used the Mallyx trick what do you think their response would have been? They obviously wouldn't ban that many people.

so the exploiters made a good job keeping their exploit hidden for months knowing that a.net would close it the minute they found out about it?

cmon be serious. i'm sorry ppl have been banned but they DESERVED IT.
THEY CALLED FOR THIS BAN.

learn the lesson and play honestly next time

SolidShadow · Jan 11, 2008, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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they DESERVED IT.

who are you to judge, dont start a war here.

~ Dan ~ · Jan 11, 2008, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by rath no more

sure in a perfect world without bugs thats exactly what woulda happened. but it doesnt right? it was like that already right? just like duncan? i understand where your comin from and like i said. im doin my time no biggy but holy crap i just never expected to totally lose everything and im sure all of the dun runners thought the same thing.

"just like duncan"? Well you knew for sure that was a bug. And therefore if you got to this outpost in the same manner, it is also a bug! Gaile said that you were not banned for going there once (or a few times) so why didn't you just get the hell out when you knew the place wasn't right.

I know you'll turn round and say "well gaile is lieing". Frankly, i'll believe what she says over any of you silly kids anyday.

pablo24 · Jan 11, 2008, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by seut

Since you know more than many of us about the inner workings of GW..
Is truzo117's story plausible, that the outpost was originally discovered by using guild hall travel, while having the "your party is defeated, return to outpost" -button was on the screen?

That story isn't plausible, sorry. Actually I was thinking about some buffer overflow overwriting the zoneid of the towns shown on the map, which could have cause you to travel to the Mallyx outpost if you clicked on such a town.

I pwnd U · Jan 11, 2008, 09:51 PM // 21:51

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Originally Posted by Clait

The consequence is remains the same, banned. The point I'm making however, is that they have been inconsistent with why they ban some people over others. I think it has a lot to do with how many people were involved. Is that fair? If a million people used the Mallyx trick what do you think their response would have been? They obviously wouldn't ban that many people.

Exactly, that is why each situation is unique. The amount of people and the severity of the exploit. If all of the GW players had used the exploit there would of been maybe 1 or 2 bannings if that. And those banned would of been the ones who had started the problem. But since there was so few they banned all those who used the exploit explicitly. Just like with the exploit with ferrying people to places they haven't been before. They didn't ban too many people for it because so many people used it. That and it was near as severe as this one.

leprekan · Jan 11, 2008, 09:52 PM // 21:52

The posts here seem more like the Salem witch trials than common sense. Since my post was flooded away by the masses so eager to fan the flames I will repost it again.

I would LOVE to read a well balanced argument to it that is based on common sense and not post fluffing from the hip.

I am apparently one of the 117 found out today. I would like to clear a few things up that have been blatantly lied about.

Anet banned apparently ANYONE that had been there they even banned my nephew who went one time MONTHS ago. They banned those that did it enough to have an impact and those like myself that had no impact on the economy (had legitimate stacks of ecto in storage that had been there for years). I went not viewing it as an "exploit" which I will explain later. I went when bored and needed a break from my koabd grind .. friends were doing uw or doa so sometimes I was farming uw sometimes doa. LOL wasn't to make money .. already had plenty of it.

There was NEVER a hack and NOBODY EVER hacked the client. First time I was mapped there I logged onto another character to see what was up and to make sure I was not doing anything other than a ferry. My ele had already beaten all 4 areas and was sitting on the Mallyx quest for probably 6 months. I took her into Mallyx and mapped back to guild hall. She was then able to map right back to mallyx .. aka no different than ANY OTHER FERRY. She was not with ANYONE when this was done so OBVIOUSLY there was no hacking involved. No party leader that was an uber hacker was required to be able to ferry there. This was no different than a ferry to the deep or urgoz. Those screaming about economic gain .. sorry people farm EVERYTHING in this game so it wasn't any different than the ferry to Duncan. Matter of a fact it was the same thing when put in perspective. The Ferry had to have all 4 zones completed no more no less .. same as the Duncan Ferry. Sorry, no matter how much you try to act like this was different than Duncan .. it WASN'T. Only difference was Anet went ban happy this time.

As many have said open up the "glitch" again and follow the steps I listed .. you will see there was NEVER ANYONE that hacked the game client .. ANYONE could ferry there. Given the fact that Anet did NOT ban Duncan farmers why would ANY of the 117 think they would be banned for the same exact type of ferry to a main boss? We didn't.

Many of you judging were just as guilty of Duncan farming or getting a ferry to the deep or urgoz. This was no different no matter how much you try to act like it was. Same requirements to be able to ferry to the boss bypassing the other four areas for Duncan or Mallyx.

Will they unban us? I doubt it since they have either intentionally lied about it being a hack or were clueless as to it not being a hack. Would I like my account back? Sure 9000 hours logged almost finished with koabd. LOL. Only upside is I dont have to finish vanquishing

I ask the community to put the situation in perspective. There was no hacking involved so please consider the fact that it could have been you that was banned for doing something that has been done on every other boss in the game.

Vall Dan · Jan 11, 2008, 09:54 PM // 21:54

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Originally Posted by Clait

I am not obligated to buy their next expansion or GW2. People vote with their dollars. People also have a tendency to tell others why or why not to buy a product. Its called Viral Marketing. This kind of situation is just bad publicity for Anet.

I see this as very positive viral markerting for Anet. They don't like cheaters. Sweet...I'll be buying GW2...and I'll tell all my friends that they should also

Your conclusions poster? You're doing it wrong!

Drop of Fear · Jan 11, 2008, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by Clait

I am not obligated to buy their next expansion or GW2. People vote with their dollars. People also have a tendency to tell others why or why not to buy a product. Its called Viral Marketing. This kind of situation is just bad publicity for Anet.

Hey have u heard about that new game guild wars 2? the developers are said to deal seriously with game exploiters and they even ban hundreds of people when they find out about a bad issue.
this is amazing a game where GM actualy care about honest players.

the only viral marketing i can think of...

Yichi · Jan 11, 2008, 09:59 PM // 21:59

ok this was posted on page 2 of this very thread.

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Originally Posted by Mickey

I had already beaten the Four Lords, I went into Mallyx to try and beat him, from GoA, my team failed, my buddy said, let's go with my team. I get a guest invite, go to Guild Hall, taken to outpost, no Keeper to go to Mallyx, then the little, Enter Mission thing pops up at the top, with the countdown, I'm thinking, wtf, and then we jump back to the Mallyx place, in the Ebony Citadel Place or w/e, so I'm like...ok....were here, let's just do it. So I finish the quest from the outpost that is exploited apparently.

Oh, btw, I am a noob at DoA. I took 2 other guildies, and we ursanned with heros all 4 areas, with Consumables, it was hard, but we made it, and I pugged foundry, god knows how, but we did it, with Ursan.

The bolded and underlined sentance should spark something as wrong, especially when seeing this:

Note the red underlined sentance.

I'm sorry but ignorance that you weren't abusing anything more than once is not going to work at all here, especially when i can access this knowledge from in-game in under a minute.

Players were allowed to access Mallyx without even talking to the Keeper that leads you to him. That should have been your other biggest warning sign besides the actual town itself that something was wrong. Yet it was knowingly used, over and over again. So no, there is justification in your punishment being lifted, shortened, etc. whatever youre asking Anet/NC Soft to try and reverse. You broke the rules, you abused an exploit, you got caught. End of story.

Clait · Jan 11, 2008, 10:00 PM // 22:00

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

Banning people for exploiting a game is bad? I feel a majority of people would think that is a good thing.

Anet failing to accurately state what makes A an exploit and B not an exploit is bad.

SolidShadow · Jan 11, 2008, 10:03 PM // 22:03

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You broke the rules, you abused an exploit, you got caught. End of story.

your judging aswell now?

this tread leads to hiding the truth , its easy to blaim ppl guilty cause its hard to prove there not guilty, bad behavior. dont manipulate the truth plz.

Clait · Jan 11, 2008, 10:04 PM // 22:04

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Why should 3000 hours make up for the fact they exploited the game????? Who cares how long they've played. Who cares how many titles they have, or what their hair colour is. They exploited it. They got banned. Good job.

Those people breath guild wars. What other reason can you find to play so many hours? If they didn't entirely love the game, why devote so much time?

Again, Anet doesn't have a standard of what makes A an exploit, and B not. To ban these kinds of players, when Anet can't define the standard is absurd.

Yichi · Jan 11, 2008, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by SolidShadow

your judging aswell now?

this tread leads to hiding the truth , its easy to blaim ppl guilty cause its hard to prove there not guilty, bad behavior. dont manipulate the truth plz.

If I had manipulated the obvious truth, then there wouldn't be 117 people with banned accounts bitching about being banned, now would there?

I just got done posting very simple evidence that even points to the fact that the violators of this were knowingly abusing something that was never intended to be apart of the game and that line was the very last one in it. As well it should be. The info I posted took less than 30 seconds to look up from the in-game wiki (f10) and tell any player as to what they had to do in order to be able to reach Mallyx.